Bra engineering technology has come a long way. It seems like we're constantly hearing about new innovations- like strapless bras made in larger cup sizes - or sports bras that also happen to be multiway bras. Is it perfect? Well, no, you can just read Bras I Hate & Love's post on some of the bigger holes in the large cup market to understand that we have a ways to go still. That being said, I'm happy to be living in 2013 where I can actually buy a wide assortment of bras in my size- even though my current size is somewhere between a 30J-30KK!
However, there is one sad bra that appears to be lagging sadly behind. The soft cup bra has been ignored, put on a shelf for "grannies" and left to stew in its own juices. There are only a very small handful of brands that actual make soft cup bras in larger cup sizes and there is only one brand (yes, just one!) that carries them below a 30 band (it's Royce Lingerie in case you're wondering).
The problem is, is that soft cup bras serve a purpose and are a needed part of the lingerie market. Yes, as a large breasted woman, I'm not going to choose to wear them as an everyday bra but I would like to own a handful of them in my wardrobe for certain occasions.
But the current state of the market is sad, very, very sad. Soft cup bras come in very limited size ranges and those at the top end of the cup sizes are completely ignored. To add to the problem they abound with fit issues and I expect that there's only a small subset of women that the current soft cup bras work well on.
Before we get into the issues inherent with soft cup bras, let's talk about why we as women should be demanding higher quality soft cup bras!
Soft Cup Bras Usage
- Sleep. I think this has got to be the biggest one. Many large breasted women want extra support when they sleep. Not only to prevent sagging but also so they don't have to carry their breasts around the house if they have to get up at night or so they can lounge around in their PJs first thing in the morning with more comfort. Additionally, there are some of us that flop around a lot at night (and pregnancy has just made that worse!), which is not remotely comfortable when your breasts are flopping around with you and you have to readjust all the pillows/blankets etc.
To add to this if you're living in a hot environment night time sweating can be a big issue and you may really prefer to have your breasts lifted off of your stomach and away from each other to prevent additional sweating.
For ladies who sleep on their backs they might like the extra support to ensure that their breasts don't go slipping down their sides while they sleep.
Check out Curvy Wordy's post on Quest for a Sleep Bra, to see how frustrating it can be to find a good soft cup bra for a small back/large cup size!
- Maternity/nursing. Soft cup bras have a bit of extra leeway when it comes to sizes, which can be a big help to ladies who find themselves with a rapidly changing bra size. To add to that many pregnant women experience nipple pain, which can be irritated by bras made out of stiffer materials (moulded cup bras, I'm looking right at you!).
The first few weeks post-partum when a woman's milk is coming can be one of those times where she experiences the most rapid changes and her breasts can be especially sensitive. It's very difficult to keep up with the correct bra size during that period (especially if you're someone who needs to order abroad for all your bras) so soft cup bras are often recommended. To add to this mastitis/clogged ducts can occur if you're in an underwire bra that is not a good fit, so during those first few weeks it's vital to either keep up rigorously with your correct size or wait it out with a soft cup bra until your size has stabilized.
- Post-surgery. Women have surgery on their back/breasts, shoulders etc all the time. Whatever the reason may be, normally a soft cup bra is recommended.
- PMS/Lazy days. Some days you just might not want to bother with an underwire for whatever reason. Additionally, some ladies experience a lot of breast pain/tenderness during PMS, which could be an added motivation when it comes to finding a more softer, flexible bra.
- Skin allergies/sensitives/illness/disability. Other women truly have issues wearing bras with underwires. Some might have a specific allergy or illness that prevents them from wearing one or even a disability that doesn't allow for bras with underwires. I'm certainly no medical doctor, but if you fit into this category it's important to find out exactly what limitations that you have and understand if it's only a certain type of underwire bra that causes problems or if you can wear them in limited amounts etc.
Soft Cup Offenders
- Lift and separation. This is HANDS DOWN the biggest issue. Now, it'll depend on your breast shape when it comes to the extent of this problem but soft cup bras run into the issue of being too flexible, which lets your breasts sag and at the same time smooshes them together. It ends up being more of a hammock for your breasts than giving them any shape whatsoever. The weight in the center drags down the middle of the bra and you can even get gaping underneath the straps at the same time (really just like a hammock!).
This causes a plethora of issues. As I mentioned above heat is a big one. If your breasts are smashed together and at the same time laying on your stomach that's a lot of skin to skin contact, which produces heat and sweat. Pregnant ladies and ladies with rounded stomachs might especially have issues with this. As well as ladies with close-set breasts.
Adding to the heat problem, is that you might sweat a lot with your boobs smashed together and no lift. Personally, I find I stink after wearing a soft cup bra because I sweat so much more in them!
The other problem is appearance underneath clothes. Not only is it a shape issue but it's also an issue with the bust line and how a shirt/dress will fit properly. Darlene recently discussed this on her posts about wearing a too-big band. Basically, the idea is this, if your breasts sit lower than manufacturers expect than you won't have enough ease built into the piece to fit your breasts and you probably have to size up quite a bit when a more supportive bra would allow you to wear a smaller size.
- Shape. For me Ewa Michalak bras and Fantasie bras give me the best rounded shape. That's my preference but there are certainly ladies out there who have different preferences and that's ok too. However, soft cup bras tend to give you NO shape whatsoever. Often times the weight of the boobs weigh down the bra so much that you end up with a downward facing shape instead of a more uplifted one.
As a comparison here's me in various soft cup bras across three different sizes and in three different brands:
I think it's clear from the pictures that the underwire makes a huge difference in terms of shape and uplift!
- Center Gore doesn't lay flat. I'm honestly not 100% sure if this is even possible to achieve but I do have some ideas on how one would go about making a soft cup bra that is able to pull this off. Possible in smaller cup sizes on ladies with widely spaces, shallower breasts this would be achievable but I have yet to see that for sure.
- Size Range. Bra manufacturers make a lot of assumptions when it comes to soft cup bras and most of the time it appears that they think only ladies in the mid-size range need them. I was surprised to hear that there are very few A cup matenrity/nursing bras on the market and as far as I know there are absolutely no true J+ cup soft cup bras out there (Royce Lingerie does go up to a K cup, however, I found that their bras fit around 2 cup sizes too small so they're much more like J cups). This is pretty shocking considering that if anything pregnancy/nursing is the time that women have the largest cup sizes! To add to that older women often have larger breasts than younger women and many of them prefer soft cup bras. So why is there such a hole in the market?
The lack of the bras on the smaller end also makes me annoyed because smaller breasted ladies get pregnant and nurse just as often and they certainly need high-quality bras too! My hope is that manufacturers stopping dropping the ball on this and go back to the drawing board to help make more soft cup bras in these sizes.
- Underbust Digs In. This one is a big trickier to describe and I only experience after a day of wearing a soft cup bra. But essentially due to the weight of my breasts the underbust below my breasts digs in and is painful by the end of the day. This happens no matter how tight or how loose the back is on the bra! I have a feeling that this one is intertwined fairly closely with the lack of uplift in soft cup bras.
Possible Solutions?
Unfortunately, I'm no seamstress and don't have the expertise of most bra manufacturers, but I'd love to sit down with some of them and discuss the issues inherent with soft cup bras to better understand why they aren't being more thoroughly discussed.So far my best experience has been with Freya. I truly liked my Freya Active soft cup bra and it was probably my favorite sports bra that I've ever tried back when I still fit into their size range (for pictures of me in it see here). In that bra, though, it tends to favor the Madonna pointy cup bra look. However, it gives lift, support and separation which are there biggest musts on my list for soft cup bras, so it could be that further tweaking of that style in large cup sizes is a possibility.
That being said, I've thought of a few options and I'd love to hear more from you, my readers. I know there are a few seamstresses that hang out there, so do you have any further suggestions? I'd also love to hear from ladies who are on the smaller end of the cup size range too. I'm sure that there are other issues that they run into there so please share and also any solutions that occur to you too!
- Flexible Wires. Cake Lingerie offers bras with flexible underwires. I haven't tried them being that they don't come in my size but it's interesting reading some of the research that Cake Lingerie has done on them. Unfortunately, they don't link to any studies but I'm planning on emailing them to see if I can get more information.
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| Cake Lingerie Dark Toffee Bra with flexible underwires |
- Cup Frames- This one I'm slightly skeptical on considering that I know for sure my soft cup bra in 40K show above had cup bras on it. However, since I can't go back in time and refit myself, I don't know how correct the bra size was. It would be an interesting experiment to compare the same bra in a pure soft cup form and it with cup frames as in what normally comes with a nursing bra to see if it improves the shape any.
- Varying materials- I do think this is one avenue that needs to be explored further. Could putting two different materials together to form a soft cup bra help aid the shape and uplift? For instance, using a stiffer, less flexible material to create the band and then a soft, more flexible material in the cups?
- Changing Seams another thought is too look at how the seams are aligned. It's no secret that seam placement affects the cup shape (see Bras I Hate & Love's post again for more details), so that begs the question, could a different seam formation affect the cup shape in soft cup bras too?
- Two straps. This may sound crazy but what about two straps per cup, such that there is one on the outward portion of the cup and one towards the center/even inner part of the cup.
- Other? I'm all ears when it comes to other suggestions!
What's Currently Out There?
Here are some of the bigger brands when it comes to soft cup bras. I give more details in this post, but just wanted to list them here for those who are curious.- Freya Active/Freya Maternity & Nursing bras.
- Royce Lingerie
- Anita
- Bravado
- Panache
- Cake Lingerie
- Hotmilk
- Emma Jane




I have thought a lot about soft cups recently. Sadly my Mum still wears the wrong size and despite both me and my sister explaining how she'll feel much better getting a proper fitting, she's not convinced. One of the reasons (or excuses) is that she doesn't like underwires, which is fair enough. I've been trying to think of good soft cups so this has helped.
ReplyDeleteI've also found myself thinking about a soft cup for me too. I have fibromyalgia and when I'm feeling particularly pained and sore I don't feel like underwires. I'm still not sure whether it's worth trying any out. :-/
Thanks for the great post!
Becky x
BeckysBoudoir.blogspot.com
Not knowing your mums size, I was looking up a brand I had good luck with in the 80's and 90's Abecita and noticed they do have a lot of soft cup bras, not in big sizes but I found a couple of f's. Maybe if we write to them they'd think of expanding?
Deletehttp://www.abecita.com/products/spring-summer-2013/underwear/
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That's really hard. I find that in wireless bras because there is more flexibility it's hard to nail down your correct size so it might complicate things further.
DeleteDepending on her size, would she be willing to try the flexible wire bras like from Cake Lingerie? Also, I have heard good things about the Triumph Doreen but it's not even close to my size so I've never tried it.
I've been looking for a good sleep/lounge bra on a budget so long, I decided to try and make my own. Still working on that, and yes, I am playing with the double strap idea.
ReplyDeleteNights here in the summer is suffocatingly hot and sweaty affairs, and I really feel so much more comfortable when the girls are strapped in and separated etc.
But it's difficult to pin on your self, find the right material etc so it's still a work in progress.
Gosh if I'd known the bra market as well at 18 as I do now... I'd have studied corset/bra design instead.
Look forward to see any follow up posts.
Oh, if you do end up sewing that, I'd love to hear about it! I can imagine it would be quite tricky to achieve, though. I thought about talking to my seamstress about making me some nightwear but it's hard to know where even to begin.
DeleteI think Freya is coming out with a soft-cup deco, though I don't know how high the cups will go.
ReplyDeleteThey do have one, but from what I understand it's in the usual Deco size, which is too small for me, I wonder how well it works, though? Also, anybody know if it also has moulded cup? I'm not a big fan of moulded cups during pregnancy but it might work well for other needs.
DeleteIt does have a moulded cup, which helps with the support and takes some pressure off the band, if you see what I mean. I tried it on and was really impressed (although I really need an H cup). Every other soft cup I've ever tried has been thrown across the room in disgust but the deco I would happily wear in certain situations. I'm still undecided about whether to buy it and try it as a sleep bra (I'm pretty happy with the Bravissimo PJ tops at the moment though).
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If you do try it as a sleep bra, let me know!
DeleteMaybe a moulded cup is than part of the answer, I'm curious how well that goes for sleeping. Unfortunately, moulded cups don't work as well for pregnancy due to the constantly changing size and sensitive nipples, but it would definitely be nice to have a good sleep option afterwards!
I would adore soft cup bras in my size. The Deco soft cup didn't really work for me, and while I love my Fortnight wireless bra, the shape isn't amazing for wearing under fitted clothing and has some of the problems you listed in this post.
ReplyDeleteI think longline bras would be nice for soft cups (my fortnight is a longline and I love it). A thicker band would aid in adding support, and I find it doesn't dig in at the end of the day like you mentioned some soft cups do.
I wonder if part of the digging in issue is also from a rounded stomach in pregnancy? Although, I don't have this issue with wired bras so it might be a combination of bigger stomach+no uplift. The Freya Rosie has a decent band size but still runs into the issue...
DeleteI don't think it is to do with pregnancy. I tried on every soft cup I could find in the search for a sleep bra (whilst neither pregnant or nursing) and every single one dug in horribly (except the deco - see above).
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You forgot one usage: getting on a plane! I always wear a soft cup bra at the airport because big underwires set up the alarm.
ReplyDeleteI think that "granny models" like the Triumph Doreen, the Elila Jaquard or the old Goddess 110 give excellent uplift, especially since the last two have slings/circular panels to hold you in place. Too bad they're somewhat ugly! They also don't come in smaller band sizes (but have firm, non stretchy bands with lots of hooks and eyes).
They give a "green shape" (which I like), not a rounded shape.
Good point! So far I've always used my Ewa Michalak bras for that but we have a plane trip coming up soon and I no longer have any that fit in my size. :( I'm not sure what to do now!
DeleteHave you tried the Triumph Doreen and if so in what size? I have heard good things about that one, but I really wish it came in smaller bands and larger cup sizes!
I haven't tried the Doreen, as it is supposed to run small, but I still have an Elila Jacquard around. I don't wear it much because it is a very stiff bra, but it gives me extreme uplift, and I can sort of style it with cute high waist knickers.
DeleteWhat size did you get in it? I'd be willing to try it and take in the back...
DeleteI have it in a 34N, which I think is equivalent to a K. The band looks big, but it has virtually no stretch. That plus the 5 hook and eye closures give very firm, even rigid support. So, it's not something that would work as a sleeping bra IMO. The shape is very retro: pointy and perky.
DeleteI have arthritis in my ribs, of all places. I keep at least 1 soft cup bra on hand for days when my ribs are just too tender for an underwire. I have a Royce currently and it's pretty good. I've wanted to try that panache soft cup I saw not too long ago, but I can't seem to find it now. I do like the Deco wired bra, so I might try the new softcup version.
ReplyDeleteMy mother, on the other hand, has never found an underwire that fits her. She about a 42F I think, and I have shopped with her. She's short (petite) and all the underwire bras in her size jab up into her armpits. We tried all kinds of brands and styles. So when she finds a soft cup bra that fits well, she gets a few of them. She's lucky enough to be in a size that has some options for soft cups, and she doesn't care bout how pretty they are. She wants basic white.
It sounds like the Deco might be a good bet (see comment from another poster above)! I can imagine that arthritis in your ribs would make bra fitting much more difficult. What solutions have you found to deal with it?
DeleteWhat styles/brands have worked for your mother? Has she tried the Triumph Doreen?
I have a couple of Royce Sadies that I use as sleep bras, they're great for that as they're super comfy and it's not hot here in Scotland so I don't mind being a bit smashed together.
ReplyDeleteHowever when this happened with an underwired bra http://spacelib.wordpress.com/2013/01/12/bra-burn/ I found the Sadies didn't help as there's just not enough uplift to take my breasts off the healing tissue. Also the shape under clothes was just too awful to even consider wearing to work.
If I want to wear a non-wired bra for lounging around the house then I'll choose a sports bra, I have an old Royce Impact Free that works for this and also used to use a Freya Active when I fitted it.
If someone made a soft cup bra for bigger cup sizes that gave reasonable shape I'd definitely buy it
That's my feeling too. If there was a good option out there that would be decent in public, I'd definitely own at least one!
DeleteI might end up having to get another Royce to at least have something for immediately after birth but I really hate being smashed together and in the Brazilian heat, it's really not a good thing!
One thing I wish they'd do more often for soft cups (and nursing bras) is give actual sizes, and not just S,M,L etc. starting with 34 bands.
ReplyDeleteI own a 32DDD softcup bra by Lunaire (fits like a 30 to 32F)that does separate due to fabric "slings" around the cups and does have a relatively center gore that lies flat. Sadly it does not seem to come in larger cup sizes. It works ok for wide set breasts that are not that full on top, and does provide a little bit of lift.
Based on historical garments I think that some sort of quilting and cording might give more structure without an underwire, and might not be too stiff.
Mona
YES, to getting rid of the S,M,L and only starting with 34 bands stupidity! The worst is when a company only offers S,M,L and then they don't publish a size chart, what's up with that??
DeleteWhat a shame that the Lunaire bra doesn't come in larger cup sizes! This seems to often be a problem with soft cup bras (that absolutely baffles me). I do think, though, that wide set breasts tend to have more of a chance to pull off separation at least in soft cup bras.
Good point about historical garments. I wish I knew more about bra construction to give a better educated guess there.
I think the secret might be in the bullet bra. It managed to lift, shape and support without underwires. So, you'd have to figure out what it was about their construction that made them work so well and then just round out the cup shape for more current times.
ReplyDeleteI think any soft cup would probably have to have an overall larger band that comes up higher it the back because it would need to support the upper part of the cup without the underwires.
Good point about the bullet bra. Honestly, I could handle the pointiness if I at least got lift and separation!
DeleteI think the issue too with the band is that it would really need to fit the shape of your back. Some ladies have backs that get wider as you go up and others have ones that get smaller. Depending on the shape, the band would have to match that otherwise it might roll down (or be pushed up)... But if it was fitted correctly it could certainly help with the support
My (male and middle aged)doctor recently suggested trying non-underwired bras because I've been having a fungal infection under the bust that he suspects might be a nickel allergy to underwires. I'm not convinced (it's on one side, and underwires are separated by a paint/plastic coating they put on them, and the material around them) and luckily I have cream for it, so hopefully won't need a new wardrobe, but it got me thinking.
ReplyDeleteSee, being male, I don't think he realised that telling a 20-something with an ample bust to 'just try' non-underwired bras was actually a big thing to ask. Not only are they not supportive (increasing the chances of sweating and therefore fungal recurrence) but most of them just look really ugly to me. And I don't even wear particularly expensive or fancy lingerie, but I honestly can't think of a non-underwired bra I've seen that isn't either a shapeless lump or something I can only picture a 70-year old wearing and would feel repulsive in. For me, even getting rid of the rash wouldn't be worth it I had to wear unsupportive, hideous bras that make my boobs look saggy when clothed and would make me feel ugly when undressed.I feel a bit conflicted about this because I'm normally a pragmatic, functional kind of girl, but having nicely fitting clothes is what makes me feel good about my curvier figure, I won't feel good about myself if i have to wear clothes I hate. Luckily I won't have to try it yet, but please feel free to recommend slightly more attractive non-underired bras, ladies. It would be sincerely appreciated!
Thanks for sharing that and I agree that a male dr. probably has no clue about bra fitting and the implications of his suggestions.
DeleteOne thing I thought of. Due to the heat here in Brazil and also because some of the underwires on my bras are bothering my pregnant belly, I've started putting washable nursing pads underneath the underwires of my bras. They're really soft and help to prevent rashes/sweating for me. They run at about $8-$10 for a package.
Another option... depending on your size, cake lingerie has flexible underwires, which might help. Although, it might be worth it to ask what materials they use before making a purchase.